Maybe it will bring down a little of the red that worries you. As soon as I could, I went with a medium color and I’ve never regretted that decision, even though it cost me a pretty penny to redo the floors. Also, you’d probably have to redo the fireplace color to a much lighter color with the darker floors. Minwax Jacobean. You don't have supplied air resprator and a paint booth???? The product manufacture suggests sanding in attempt to let customer end up with smoother finish from sanding junk out as they go. Customize color or achieve a darker color by adding additional coats. There really is very little (if any) difference in durability for these 2 stains. Sadly,consumers continue to demand a single coat stain and topcoat product so Minwax,Varathane and all other brands marketing to homeowners sell them. Woodworking. There is definitely a difference. Did mostly bowls. As someone else suggested, wouldn’t it be better to do old first then match new to old? The answer is "it depends on wherether your personal transportation includes a Leer that you know how to fly,otherwise plug it into mapquest". The pine turned more gray than anything. Minwax Wood Finish is a penetrating, oil-based stain that enhances wood grain with rich color in just one coat. 8. This next picture was also taken last night… Not sure. Love the warmth of it and it doesn’t seem too dark either. The pix you are using as comparison are all with white kitchens and walls. There seems to be a stigma about minwax products online, but I think the only reason people get poor results is due to poor prep/technique. Dye, stain, and gel stain(which is actually a modified paint). I agree with you on your favorites: Dark Walnut or the 50/50 Dark/Special. Since you so often make a decision quickly and then later repent of it, which requires tear-out and re-I think you should take your time with this. I suggest testing it on the old floor since it will take differently, and do the prep work on the wood, there will be a difference. The Old Masters wiping stain is very dense. I prefer your special mixture because of the red/brown tone mix. Equally important is the sheen level of your finish coat. I finally decided to buy some Minwax #209 natural Wood Finish to experiment with it and I compared it to the Varathane Natural Oil Finish I was already using. I’m sure I could watch videos on youtube, but much prefer following you. Will never do I think again. I agree completely with this.> Even though we are novices, we want good results. Not only can you not see the bottom of the can, you can't see the stirring stick once it is submerged in the stain! He prefers Varathane (I can see why, is thicker, goes on easily, maybe even single coat), but now I’m faced with a design dilemma...Find a Varathane color that matches the Minwax Special walnut, or stick with the Minwax Special walnut (even though it may not be as good a product)? What! We began a remodel project in late 2014, my husband was injured at work three months later & has had two surgeries since, so from necessity (and my own enjoyment) that means I’ve torn out load bearing walls & replaced with recessed beams (this I did have help on before he was injured), framed in new walls, framed and installed nine windows, hung sheet rock on ceilings and walls (thank goodness for lifts), mud/tape joints and done smooth trowel finish, laid maple hardwood that we reclaimed, poured concrete overlay & stained to look like granite, tiled a tub/shower surround, etc. . When the contractor purchased the stain, he ended up buying Varathane Special walnut, and said it would come out to be the same color. And while it is kind of dark, that warmth keeps it from looking too dark, in my opinion. Don’t forget to apply the sealer you plan to use over the stain. The darker the floor, the more you see scratches in the urethane finish but the less you see discolored wood due to wear and tear. I tried to send you a comment on your “Rethinking my hardwood floors” post, but it didn’t go through. 13. I don't always consider links as supporting evidence.That's "a snuff" for today. Some staining is really desirable, like popping the figure on birdseye or curly maple, or doing a sunburst finish on a mandolin, but much is just trying to make a piece of wood look like something it isn't. It’s been three years now and they are slowly starting to look different. I tested out four different Minwax stain colors on some leftover red oak floorboards that I had on hand.. The stain had more pigment than the stuff I bought (and returned) from the hardware store.The store manager was very helpful and knowledgeable - he helped me choose this one from 4 mahogany stains. Both brands offer most of the same stains, especially the more popular ones such as golden oak, gunstock, provincial, special walnut, dark walnut, jacobean, and ebony. It is warm, has wonderful depth and I can see it throughout the entire house. Why waste the time to have to redo them yet again? But I do think this gives a very good idea of the colors. I had Provincial in my last house and really liked it (didn't show dirt easily but also didn't show dust like a dark stain will). Both have great dry times as well as better penetration qualities. Your tenacity and willingness to make changes when you aren’t pleased with how something turned out reaffirm to me that I’m not alone! Contrary to one of the posters above, I've had good success using colored finishes when I've really needed to change the color of the wood for one reason or another. If they are is decent shape after I am done, I clean them and put them in the cheapo brush bin. What a sweet Aunt and Grandma to do that for her. maybe minwax will work better on a certain project or has a color that you prefer vice versa.. We have since moved from the house from above, and our new house has the red oak golden floors again, so I will have to pick another floor choice again soon. It’s warmer and slightly more traditional, but both are winners! It has a variety of tones. It's tough! $4.96 $ 4. Well, I know you say you’re not a pro, but compared to me, you are a PRO! Wanted to know which brand was better for ME (not him) to purchase. It just seems like I remember you hating minwax stains, as do I. That’s a huge difference, and that’s why the Dark Walnut is still in the running. Apply additional coats without sanding,just tack the surface off. Special Walnut Classic Wood Interior Stain (2-Pack) provides a rich natural color that beautifully enhances the wood grain. I was very impressed. Oh, and btw, several contractors who came out to give us estimates advised us against the water based polys over dark stains because they tend to develop whitish spots where the topcoat is a bit thicker, as it is over the spaces between the boards. Just another option to consider. 6. A pair of disposable paper coveralls will last a hobbiest for years. No worries, since it will be redone anyway soon. If you’re using Minwax, I like the half ‘n’ half mixture. Have you considered English Chestnut? Is one better than the other - Minwax stain or Varathane stain? It is similar to someone asking for the quickest route from New York to L.A. for personal transportation. Minwax Special Walnut. I was afraid at first that the special walnut would not be dark enough, but once the floors were finished and the top coats went on, I fell in love. On red oak, it just falls flat. Saved by Melinda West. We texted Minwax special walnut, in 1 and 2 coats, on the cedar wood to make sure it was the color we liked. Secondly, DuraSeal oil based stain Obviously, you'd want to mix colors from the same manufacturer... And if the color is a tad too dark, adding "neutral" will lighten it as well. I love the special mixture. This just doesn't seem to be worth the time, effort, or irritation to me. Your clean area is a good idea. That would definitely make more sense. And if your old floor and new floor don’t match 100% — do not sweat it. That is part of the charm in an older house and only you will notice. Thus, I agree with the previous guys post that this Poly+Stain product sucks and if you want it done right there's no shortcut, to Sand, Stain and varnish... in the short of it, its best to get both and experiment to see what works best for you - the long version is -in all honesty - your question is one of opinion and taste - ask an artist how to choose their medium - they will tell you it depends on what they are trying to accomplish. I expect HIM to use HIS "pro" products and would NEVER dream of telling him what product to use. Highlights Minwax Weathered Wood, Varathane Sunbleached and General Finishes Walnut with Whitewash mix. Love the depth that it gives compared to the others. Dark Walnut used to be our go to stain color. I am thinking of trying Special Walnut since it looks like the most "Danish" of their walnut stains. We used Minwax, to answer someone's question above. on the positive note, im changing the cabinets to a darker color. Shop Minwax Wood Finish Oil-Based Special Walnut Interior Stain (Quart) in the Interior Stains department at Lowe's.com. Your niece’s room is gorgeous, btw! 60. Thanks handymac. I’m not so sure about the dark stains. We texted Minwax special walnut, in 1 and 2 coats, on the cedar wood to make sure it was the color we liked. I know some will not agree and that most instructions reccomend sanding,but after you master the above,try it without sanding. Odds are "your pro" also has products and methods he's comfortable with. Unless you maintain clean brushes,pour enough material from can to another cup and don't return unused material to can. 63 Minwax 22320 1/2 Pint Red Chestnut Wood Finish Interior Wood Stain 4.7 out of 5 stars 11 Even though we are novices, we want good results. Floors Stained- Minwax Early American. Ohh! Other than the poster with 40 years experience,has anyone found an application where Polyshades will perform better than stain+clearcoat? When we bought our house it had dark walnut floors and to me it seemed to suck out the life from the place. Kristi, I’ve been following your blog for the past couple of years, and feel a kindred spirit!! I’m sure whatever you choose will look lovely! Exactly the look I was going for! I want to get the floors to look solid dark. (None of whom care to learn anything about any of these skills, they just want to know “Mom, when are you going to have our house back together” Lol) These kind of things never happen on HGTV). He had a whole cabinet full of Minwax Wipe-On Poly because he said the article said ti was the best. Write a review. BUT, I have a question: Are you sure that the stain is going to read the same on the old wood as it will on the new wood? I haven't needed to use any of my quality brushes, yet, but I have been going thru tons of rags! I dust and vacuum so much dog hair, I am surprised he isn't bald! They can be obtained through a flooring professional, as a rule. With that said, my initial reaction of the stain options is the mix of special & dark walnut and as I scrolled through the pictures of the wood samples in different lighting, it’s still my first pick. I didn’t take the time to do any sanding or water popping/wood conditioning or anything like that, and I also didn’t add any kind of clear topcoat, so the color might not be exactly what it would be on my finished floor. All Rights Reserved. Or to get a cheap piece of furniture presentable for a few months while you are arranging its replacement. A message posted at WOODWEB's Finishing Forum (11/18) -- Not to be rude or above purchasing items from the big box stores, but both of those products are for homeowners and DIY professionals. He is happy to get his printer off the floor and onto a stand that fits a small space next to his desk. What about mixing 1/3 to 2/3 instead of half and half? I guess thats why they made 2 versions - in the end - im stuck with varathane because the HD has changed contracts - minwax is now with lowes, and lowes is 30 minutes further away making an hour round trip where HD is walking distance. Funny, I'm between these two for my floors! We used many cans of this baby! Wipe on varnishes are fine products, but every product has its advantages and disadvantages. You can see that this stain consistently pulls a brown hue with the exception of the red oak for obvious reasons. Rated 5 out of 5 by Eli from Great product I always have great results with minwax products. How did you achieve the look, the one with the darkest floor (the pic with the bay window) I am trying to achieve the same look and have your exact reference picture on my pinterest. But I’m not going to drag this decision out and agonize over the choices. I have had excellent wood projects with minwax but it does take longer. Front Porch & Exterior Makeover (In Progress), Discover traditional family room design inspiration, How Much Do I Love My Husband? I tested Minwax Jacobean stain, Dark Walnut stain, Special Walnut stain, and a mixture of 1 part Dark Walnut stain to 1 part Special Walnut stain. In my experience and taking bob's statment in consideration I suppose Polyshades out performs other methods if one is too lazy to wipe off hand prints before first application.If you listened to me rant this far I owe you something you can use for better finishes on your projects. Applies easily with high quality synthetic brush, lint-free cloth or foam applicator. The difference is negligible. My oak floors are distressed, the house is an English Tudor, and I wanted it to look like one. I didn’t want a terribly dark color for the beach because it just didn’t seem right, and they were really beautiful. Neither, imo. A clean area will help alot in attaining satisfactory painting results. @ RocksandRoses - LOL, I did end up asking them to specifically use OldMasters Rich Mahogony - turned out great, love it! Kristy…As you know, the top coat you use, will change the color of the wood…so, I would also topcoat these sample boards…Kudos to you…for all you do! My neighbor is so impressed with my recently refinished dresser tops that he is thinking of refinishing his table and staining it....guess what color....Rich Mahogany. Can’t wait to see what the end result looks like. I have also used foam brushes and cheap bristle brushes from the dollar store. Hi Kristi. They are almost never a single stain/dye/colorant and always include the final finish coat(s). I’m also on the “dark floors and pets don’t mix” team. Darn auto correct! Hi Kristi, When there, he showed me his wood-turning shop. Dust/pet hair also shows more on darker floors. I just need to find what I want - so I can show him. From cardboard and packing tape build a box with 2 openings that alow a PLEATED PAPER filter to be taped over one opening and plastic tent inclosing other. There seems to be a stigma about minwax products online, but I think the only reason people get poor results is due to poor prep/technique. .I found two dealers here in OKC, and you have several locations listed in the Dallas area) We couldn’t sleep in it with the fumes! 5. While it’s beautiful on a small sample, I’m trying to imagine it on all of the hardwood floors in my entire house. I have had awesome results with minwax.. sometimes the slower drying multiple coats can work very well for different projects. You also won’t see every little smudge. HU-472539249. Re: Provincial or Special Walnut Stain. Says “I’m a site-finished floor, not a pre-finished floor”. The original color was a darker walnut - similar to the Old Masters American Walnut. They are your floors and you are about to put a LOT of work into them to make them all look spectacular so please take the time you need to decide on what you really want. I am happy with the minwax over the stain so far. Various products were evaluated, when applied without respect to proper or recommended procedures, and with not too much evaluation criteria. He was done building and staining his piece in one day. The floor color we chose did end up looking somewhat red in different lights. They look dirty everyday. Whether you go for glossy, painted or matte boards, make your wood floor the star, You may be surprised by some of these ideas for removing cloudy white water marks from wood surfaces, Snowy cabinets and walls speak to a certain elegance, while marble counters whisper of luxury, Make your sleeping space elegant and calming sans cave-like vibe, with these tips for using black walls, flooring and furniture. My bias against walnut stains stems from too many faux colonial walnut stained pieces in my childhood. Overall I would highly recommend Varathane. It also coated much more evenly and did not soak in so quickly like a sponge (good or bad depending on what you are looking for). I know this is an old thread and there is a lot of great information and points here, but my opinion (coming from an experienced amateur) the Varathane seems to be slightly thicker than Minwax. Minwax vs Varathane oil finish 02-13-2010, 12:19 PM. Although. I’m very interested in this project, as I am hoping to work on a similar project at my sons house. Walmart # 001213148. But it is more of a pain to apply. I think that is so pretty. Add Tip Ask Question Comment Download. but i experienced an uneven drying with varathane and even though it works good for one coat, patience is a virtue and i like to see even coats. minwax i usually have to take it down to the wood. That dried stuff that flew when brush was slaped earlier will be wash of in can each time brush is dipped. And there is absolutely no difference in the areas of the floor now that the stain and finish are on. I like the 50/50 mixture of special and dark walnut best. straight stain. I think I have a really dysfunctional relationship with oil stains, and will do almost anything to avoid them now. Minwax® Stainable Wood … I tried three times and it never went through. Qty: Free pickup today. This innovative, quick-drying formula creates a stunning wood patina in a single coat. In stock at Union City, 30600 Dyer St. … If a person doesn't realize that,they are already too far gone in the wrong direction for gainihg much insight on a subject.Now that I got that out of my head,back to the discussion. I have used and like Minwax wipe-on Poly. Minwax Minwax Wood Finish, Special Walnut, 1/2 Pint. This high-performance stain features nano pigments, which intensify color clarity and highlight wood grain, delivering the perfect shade in just one coat. Minwax Co, Inc. Part Number 710760000 Product Dimensions 22.86 x 17.48 x 17.78 cm; 3.45 Kilograms Item model number 710760000 Size 250 VOC Colour Special Walnut Material Oil Based Item Package Quantity 1 Batteries Required? So my decision as come down to Dark Walnut…, …or a mixture of 1 part Dark Walnut to 1 part Special Walnut…, Interestingly, in those two pictures, the Dark Walnut appears to have more red in it. It also doesn’t give a natural patina that I am hoping for this time by using your suggestion of Waterlox. Now to also decide on which one makes the adjoining kitchen floor in maple look close to its neighboring oak floors! I wager if I slap your dry "clean" varnish brush across the bench edge bits of dried varnish will fill the air. It’s the perfect, medium-dark wood stain with golden highlights that show through the wood grain. Colorful, modern styling replaces old linoleum and an inefficient layout in this architect's inherited house in Washington, D.C. varathane on red oak special walnut - Google Search. Try mixing Jacobean and Special Walnut. However, I still like the Dark Walnut. Step 14: Special Walnut. Another note: Hogher quality stains contain more pigment! Construct a divider wall inside box with a small fan taped to a fitted opening. . The unfortunate reality is that you can only stain bare wood. I think it will work best for this piece. I tend to view Special Walnut as a lighter brown stain. Just stain alone will look flat and lifeless. I was wondering, did you try mixing Jacobean and Special Walnut. (total agreement, the Jacobean really fell short on my floors – maybe it’s better on white oak) Im worried the varathane will peel or be able to get your finger nail and dig into it and scrape it off - i have had that experience with other rustoleum products making them seem cheap to me. Two suggestions: The latest blog happens to be an update to the hardwax oil info, and if you look on the left hand side, you should see links to his 4 part series about choosing hardwood floor finishes, as well as other topics that may be of interest. I buy supplies and the wiping stain from the local chains and the stains from Benjamin Moore. So keep the posts, videos, etc. It will look gorgeous combined with your cool colors. I think the weathered oak cut out a lot of the redness. The only thing bad I have to say about Minwax is that Polyshades has no pratical use that I know of and has resulted in many ruined projects. I don’t care for too dark floors. Good luck! Like it, but love the rich mahogony. This is what it looks like after drying a couple of days, with Minwax Special Walnut Stain. This is the better approach since by "layering" one color over another, the second choice will probably be dominant &/or result in inconsistent color. Like you, I had also tried the regular Minwax stains (Dark Walnut, Jacobean, and mixed with Ebony) but they just fell short of what I was looking for; a dark, rich warm tone that is more dark brown than red or black. Again, the color with stai9n/dye is not necessarily the color after finishing. At least I do, and it is still better than orange. In a previous life, I was a project manager for a drug company. The Mwx looked better, but neither looked like the color samples ar HD. Have you tried provincial? Everything is now 2 1/4 inch red oak. Love it. I’d be hesitant to do the mixture. Most were poorly stained pine, I suppose, I still cringe when I see dark brown stain or avocado green upholstery. It has the right balance and looks great with your colors in the room. Saved by Kristy Sieburg. I love the Dark Walnut and Special Walnut blend. If pressed to make a decision right this minute, I’d go with the mixture. And then these next two pictures were taken this morning. Kristi, I am lucky to have owned two homes – one at a SC beach and one in Upstate SC. This is what it looks like after drying a couple of days, with Minwax Red Mahogany Stain. But thinking of the Special Walnut since it's just a touch darker. 96. Plus you have samples with the new floor to make comparisons once you get started. Not that my vote counts but the blend of special and dark looks lovely. Clearly if rwiegand or myself were the "pro" whom you had finishing your items,our choice of material and method would be quite different but both are expected to result in the appearance you have choosen. In all of your photos of rooms, they are mostly of very large rooms with many large windows letting in a lot of natural light. How will that impact what you’re doing? (there, I admitted it! Projects like our industrial pipe bench and our pet bunk beds. But be prepared for a very stinky house. Applies easily with high quality synthetic brush, lint-free cloth or foam applicator. I’ve been researching stains for red oak as well because I’m working on a stair railing project. The goal is having a filtered air gentle breeze at you back to push vapor away from your breath and out open side preventing concentration of vapors while preventing airborne contaminates coming in open side of tent. Addicted 2 Decorating is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. I might have to make some adjustment to the stain mixture for the old floor to get it to blend seamlessly with the new floor, if that’s even possible. I'm pleased this thread that obviously was started as a road to nowhere has been salvaged with exchange of ideas between amatuers interested in making the nessary effort to improve their skill. Thanks for the tips on the brushes. Agree rwiegand, got walnut floors because that is the look I wanted. excuse this example, but its like asking your friend how your wife will feel if you try something new in the bedroom.., his methods (and equipment) may be different than yours and therefore has different results.. and to put it bluntly its true. Click here to see how they turned out…. and can have clumping like appearance. My workspace is outside until I get my garage organized. It’s through the entire bottom floor of my home, and I wish I would have gone lighter, it’s alot of dark floor and I feel dark walnut doesn’t play as nice with other wood tones, so some of my furniture doesn’t sit well directly against the floor, I have to make sure certain pieces are on area rugs, either because it’s too matchy or clashes. That might make a difference with the redness. First and foremost, WaterPopping. Bring out the beauty of natural wood—lightning fast—with Rust-Oleum® Varathane® Fast Dry Wood Stain. Best Wood Stain Stain On Pine Wood Fence Post Deck Stain Colors Stained Trim Minwax Stain Walnut Stain Dark Walnut Into The Woods. Varathane 262023 Premium Fast Dry Wood Stain, 1/2 Pint, Spring Oak 4.3 out of 5 stars 12. Again it’s only an opinion, but I have used Minwax religiously for many years. Red oak, old style 2 1/4″ strip flooring. Low VOC products have helped but we should still use every advantage if we plan being able to play with our grandkids. Good point. Now, after all this long spill, I do have some advice on your wood floors. . We decided to take advantage of this bad situation and out up some wood beams on the (now) vaulted ceilings. I have thoroughly searched the Internet for various forums re: Minwax vs Varathane, as I currently have an issue. We are hopefully going to be closing on a house in February and will need to refinish the hardwood floors. Varathane supplies many markets including begainer and several specialty markets with price competive products. the varathane - being that it dies dry faster and coats better (note they have 2 products of all the same colors - yellow can and white can - one is thinner the other is thicker - the white one has more pigment the yellow can has less.) I think the others come up looking like they are dusty, and after all hardwood floors are known for their gleam. Cabinet stain color - Special Walnut by Minwax. Bob Flexner can't effectivly answer questions like the one at top of this thread. That is precisely what was running through my mind. Interior Wood Stain - Special Walnut is rated 4.7 out of 5 by 63. Naturally,a woodworker can build a nicer set up but I want to keep the in reach of an appartment balconey workshop. We texted Minwax special walnut, in 1 and 2 coats, on the cedar wood to make sure it was the color we liked. I'm floored: Jacobean vs. Espresso vs. IDK. In short, once my cabinet is finally stained with the rich mahogany old masters oil based wiping stain, what are the steps you would recommend to finish it with Waterlox varnish? No Item Weight 3.45 kg Stage props, for example. Kristi, i vote for the mixture of stains. Dark Walnut is a stain by Minwax. >One minwax product that had good reviews from Fine Woodworking magazine, friends and the list is the Minwax wiping polyurethane. I really liked the Weathered Oak/Dark Walnut mix that I had seen. When you pick the one or two features most important to you, you get the concomitant attributes that come along with it. Added to the fact, my being raised in the country, where we built our own home additions, barns, fences, etc., it is kind of ingrained. Minwax® Stainable Wood Filler is designed to fill nail holes, cracks, gouges and other defects in unfinished wood. I like to read about other people's experiences with various projects. I agree with the special mix. the craftsman has to know which works for him and which works for his current project. I have done quite a few coats, sanding with 0000 steel wool in between coats. As I mentioned in this post, I’ll be tackling a big floor refinishing project very soon. Nov 19, 2014 - DIY Kitchen backsplash using pallet wood, Minwax special walnut stain, and varathane matte poly. And regarding mixing... yes, you can mix colors in advance to "fine tune" for the results you want. Best way to get the desired results are to learn about each product and to experiment with different product combinations. However, they are not available as "off the rack" at the local Big Box Store. I wanted to get a look at the colors in different lighting, so the picture above was taken last night.
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